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I do not think of myself as a resident of the state I am in. I live in the best small town in America, I am convinced of it; but I am a Tennesseean at heart. You cannot escape your roots; I have tried, very hard--in fact I tried harder when I was actually living in Tennessee. I tried my whole life to get away from a place that was too small, too rural, too uneducated, too ignorant, too racist. But the moment I left I began a process of appreciating what I left behind. It started when I was driving up Hwy. 37 and realised that, just outside town, it had been renamed the "Bill Monroe Bluegrass Highway."

Surely not the same Bill Monroe my grandmother used to drag me to Lexington and all over West Tennessee to listen to, I thought. The one who used to guest star at fiddler's contests--and oh, how I dreaded, as a child, going to fiddler's contests, where all the bluegrass bands and all the gospel quartets and all the cloggers and all the would-be country singers would gather for miles around to play some of that old timey country music.

Yes. The very same. And on certain Saturday or Sunday mornings I will listen to the strains of bluegrass coming from the local radio station and I think, 'why did I have to leave home to appreciate what I left behind?'

A few days ago I drove around one section of town for over 45 minutes in the hope of finding what seemed like a very achievable goal: a place where you could eat food that wasn't a chain restaurant. I finally, after a long and exhausting search, found a little local Mexican place I never knew existed--but all the time, I kept thinking: how I wish I had food, raw food, straight out of the soil, right from the vast expanses of my grandmother's gardens, and planted by her own hands.

When I was a child, she would entreat me, and sometimes threaten to switch me if I didn't help her hoe, and shovel, and fertilize. I often got whippings, and then I would cry and help her anyway. The long branches of a switch were usually stripped from nameless shrubs in the backyard--it wasn’t the branches that hurt, but when they were green, and leafy, and the long fronds made an arc in the air that you could hear as she swung—lord, how they stung. I have vivid recollections of her turning with a determined look on her face towards the back door, and I would know exactly where she was going. Oh, how I hated my grandmother’s garden, and the dirt, and the toil, and the life it represented that I couldn’t wait to be rid of.

I grew up believing that I was surrounded by a bunch of redneck, country-bred dirt-poor Southern Baptist fools. I was going to grow up, move to New York, be rich and famous and glamorous and never think twice about the South again.

But not anymore. Not after you have been driving around town for nearly an hour looking for a single item of food, about which you can say, ‘I know where this came from, I know how and where it was grown and cooked for me.’

You start thinking not only of food differently, but of your childhood differently.

My grandmother never planted flowers in her garden until I asked her to, the summer I was a junior in high school. Why didn't she ever plant flowers? I said. "Well, Aja, I got plenty of flowers already, growing wild out yonder." And she did, along with a patch of cultivated irises by the front drive, and a single, beautiful patch of roses and buttercups. But my grandmother at first didn't see the need for a flower garden. It wasn't practical, and didn't fit in with what I am starting to realise has always been her lifetime philosophy: make do.

Tennesse bordered Kentucky during the civil war. It is a long rectangular state that borders 7 other states, and it functioned both as a great big huge wall, and as a gateway to the rest of the South. So it hosted wave after wave of invading troops from the North. People think of Pennsylvania as the spot where the most crucial battles were fought; they think of Kentucky as the spot where the most emotional battles were fought; they think of Georgia and Alabama as the sites that saw the most destruction. In truth more battles were fought in Tennessee than in any other state except Virginia.

The only battle my family has ever fought has been over land. I think that says a great deal about my family, and the backdrop of the South that no one who was raised in a land of shopping malls can truly understand. My mom wanted to plant trees and extend my great-grandfather's vast lawn. Her brother thought it should be extended in the opposite direction, and used to plant more cotton and soybeans. "Take care of the land," he said, "and the land takes care of you."

My grandmother, my uncle, my mother, were raised on the land. To them the maintenance and upkeep of the land and the ability to pass it on to their children is the greatest gift you can give. My mother has said to me more than once in the last 5 years, "I don't have much to give you, but you'll always have your own home." In O Brother, Where Art Thou, Tim Blake Nelson says the line, "a man ain't nothin' if he ain't got land," and the first time I saw that movie that line gave me chills because it resonated with me so much, with my own experience, with what I know of "my people," back home in Tennessee. As a little girl, I loved the Anne books more than any other book series, and all of the stories of L.M. Montgomery, and what I love most of all, looking back now, was the way that Anne and all of Montgomery's heroines are so informed by and immersed in nature--the geography of the land they live in, as well as the natures of their communities. That is how I grew up--in a place that was completely suspended from the advances of time and progress, surrounded by rows of billowing cotton on 4 sides, clear blue skies, and a vast green lawn sheltered by 60, 70-year-old maple and oak and walnut trees.

A lot of people who have never lived on the same plot of farm land for generations don't understand how anyone in Tennessee could have an identity when they appear to show strong loyalty only to the UT football team (GO VOLS!), Billy Graham, and the American military. But the South, not just Tennessee, but the South in general, clings to those things because they engender a renewed sense of loyalty and community that the South simply no longer has. They were united, and they were destroyed by it. They were taken over by weak Northern carpetbaggers and subjected to a period of devastating “Reconstruction” which completely changed the face of Southern economy and left them forevermore beholden to the North, to the gracious conqueror.

One of the very first memories I have of my childhood in the South is of smiling politely and shaking the hand of a person, an adult that I secretly hated, and letting her pinch my cheek in her patronizing way.

There is a reason that this is one of the first things I learned how to do. To “growl and submit” as Solzhenitsyn wrote, is truth. When you are stubborn, as the South has always been, they break you.

And oh, how the South has been broken.

On into the 20th century, the South continued to be bossed around by the North, as agriculture gave way to industrialization, and the slave economy of the South became the monopolistic big business of the Rockefellers and the Carnegies. They were bossed around in the 20’s, when northern textile industries flocked to the South because of the cheap labor available there, the Ku Klux Klan burgeoned into a national organization, and millions of blacks moved north to Chicago and other urban areas to get away from the oppression.

They were bossed around in the 30’s when, in the wake of the devastation of the Depression, the federal government created the Tennessee Valley Authority, which provided electricity to 3 million people at the expense of displacing nearly 3500 Tennesseans with little to no compensation, in the second-largest dam project in U.S. history.

They were bossed around in the 50’s when they were forcibly desegregated. They were bossed around in the 70’s when the government struck down miscegenation laws. They were being bossed around in the 90’s when NAFTA slowly but surely started killing off their small towns and local industries. They are being bossed around now as “activist judges” attempt to interfere once again with their moral codes.

Before the U.S. Civil War, the South had given the United States ten presidents. Since the U.S. Civil War, it has given the country only two—and one of those two was educated in New England.

The rest of the country asks, why is the South home to so many rednecks and conservative right-wing nut-jobs? The answer is in the soil. In the water that powers the hydroelectric energy that powers our reality tv.

If you live in California, or Vermont, or Idaho, you still have a very definite sense that this land is your land. The land is free—the land belongs to everybody. Right? But once you have had someone come to your soil and invade your homeland and fight for the right to take it over and tell you what you should do with it, you can’t ever see the land the same way. I don’t believe that any single person who owns land in the South, who was also born and brought up on that land, thinks of it as something that belongs to anyone else even in a general patriotic principle sort of way. The land is not a shared commodity, not something that exists as both yours and mine in a friendly theoretical way. The land is what Southerners have fought for, what Southerners died for. The land is all we have left. The land is the last bastion of defiance for a people who have been powerless for a century and a half.

[info]myrch mentions the South and its fascination with Native Americans. The South understands the Indian in a way no part of the rest of the country can. The South has seen its land invaded, and has had its culture redefined for it, in ways that, in terms of U.S. history, only the Native American experience can begin to parallel.

The South, historically, has always balanced its animosity of the Other with a fostered sense of community resilience. With the advent of suburbia, McWorld, Disneyfication, and the urbanized lifestyles engendered by a corporate and fast food culture, that sense of community resiliance is dying off in the South. All that remains is the fostered sense of community resentment. Whatever your feelings on country music, with its strong themes of the working man waging a daily fight against the upper class and the world of corporate business, is among the most democratic and overtly populist messages being espoused in America today. Add to that its constant preaching the gospel of the South's 'comeback,' it is both generating and generated by the South’s own sense of community.

Tennesseeans are among the nicest people on earth--though not, as my grandmother has always informed me, as nice as the people in Mississippi. In Tennessee, people tend to speak of Mississippeans with a kind of reverence. I’ve been to Mississippi but twice in my entire life, but the hospitality, the generosity, and the size of the collective heart of its citizens is as legendary as its poverty. Why is it that the undisputedly nicest state in the country is also the poorest and the most notoriously racist? Why do these things continue to co-exist in a nation that prides itself on its equality? These two things are hand-in-hand for a reason, and the reason is that the destruction wreaked on the South in the Civil War left it with no way to cope other than to cling to the one scrap of dignity left it: its defiance.

Since it cannot defy the government, it can defy the Others in its midst: black people, homosexuals, liberals, Yankees. It defies their presence, the humiliating history they carry with them, and the ever-constant awareness of defeat that their presence symbolizes. And to defiance is joined the teeth-gritting philosophy my grandmother has: make do.

Making do is all Southerners have really had the power to do, for a hundred and fifty years. They have had no political power whatsoever; they have been boxed in politically, boxed in economically, boxed in socially, for the last hundred and fifty years. The South has been beaten down, and beaten down, and beaten down, and out of the devastation of the Civil War the South has been “reconstructed” as a culture that has been put entirely on the defensive.

Southerners are ridiculed for their accents.
Southerners are ridiculed for their work ethic (how many of you knew that the term ‘redneck’ originally referred to a farmer who’d spent all day in the field with the sun beating down on his back?)
Southerners are ridiculed for their educational standards. (Sure, go ahead, make fun of us for not knowing how to read. Then go back to your universities and have fun reading William Faulkner, James Baldwin, Flannery O’Conner, Richard Wright, Tennessee Williams, Eudora Welty, Harper Lee, Alice Walker, Toni Morrison.)
Southerners are ridiculed for their music—even though the vast majority of American music of all kinds originated in the South. Folk, bluegrass, gospel, blues, jazz, ragtime, country, rock, rockabilly, swing, Cajun, and the dubious genre of "contemporary christian," all were born in the South. Memphis, Nashville and New Orleans served as the epicenters for musical revolution after revolution. We have given the world Scott Joplin, Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley, Patsy Cline, Hank Williams, Ricky Nelson, Johnny Cash, and NSYNC and Britney Spears. Every last drop of American music, from Rhapsody in Blue to the Squirrel Nut Zippers, has roots somewhere along the way that began in the South, with the possible exception of Jewish Klezmer music and various flavors of rock. (But that’s okay, because the birthplace of American rock is the South, too.)
Southerners are ridiculed for their religious beliefs.
Southerners are ridiculed for their politics.
Southerners are ridiculed for their political leaders.
Southerners are ridiculed for their moral codes.
Southerners are ridiculed for their backwoods culture.
Southerners are ridiculed for their love of good food.
Southerners are ridiculed for their love of the land, and for their love of the guns that help them protect that land.

In the face of all that ridicule, in the face of overwhelming defeat from every corner, is it any wonder the South has turned hatred of the other into a crucial part of its identity?

In America's history, the development of Tennessee and Texas as states are very closely linked--they achieved statehood at the same time, and the nickname "the Volunteer State" comes from the fact that the vast majority of fighters at the Alamo followed Davy Crockett down from Tennessee. In Tennessee, as in Texas, there has always been a very strong love for the underdog and a distrust of the Establishment. Add to that the dogged defiance that every Southerner has in his bones, and you have the environment for a breeding ground of exactly the kind of conservative, anti-government rhetoric that Southern conservative strongholds have spawned in the last 20 years.

Through the rise of Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority, the growing political activism of the Southern Baptist Convention, and the American Family coalition, the cry, “The South will rise again,” finally, at last, has a resilience, if only in politics, that it has not had in decades. If you, too, were born and bred in the South, odds are that no matter what the flag is supposed to represent, a part of you would be proud to see that gorgeous Confederate ‘X’ hoisted up the local courthouse pole; and your pride would probably have scant little to do with your political opinions.

It is not a coincidence that Texas, Tennessee, and Virginia, the states with the most violence and bloodshed in their history, have become the most rabidly conservative states in the Union. Conservative rhetoric caters to an innate distrust of the Other, and when the Other has torn apart your land from one end to the other, that inherent resentment roots right down in the very soil you have fought over. Even after the memories and the first-hand accounts have died out, that resentment is sewed continually, and it is raised and cultivated and nourished right along with the love for the land.

I had to leave home, to go away from the South to understand, even though I was always more liberal than anyone else I knew, the ways in which I had cultivated that resentment myself. And I had to go away from home in order to understand the true love of the land, the way my parents and grandparents understood it.

When you talk about the South, you are always talking about the land. Southerners support the war in Iraq for the reason they support any war against The Other—to threaten us means to threaten the land, and the land is all that matters. The land is larger than North and South; the land represents individual freedoms, and the right of those who have it to work it, claim it, use it, nourish it, love it, live off it, learn from it, grow with it and from it. The land is what the Other has never yet managed to take. The land must be defended. The land is ours. Not yours. We are not sharing.

The land is ours, not yours, because you have already taken everything else there is to take.

I convinced my grandmother to grow a small garden the first year, to devote an entire plot of soil just to flowers for once, and not to things that were strictly for eating (who wanted to waste all that space on a bunch of vegetables anyway—I mean, really).

My grandmother took a lot of convincing. But she has allowed that garden to grow, and flourish, and become beautiful, every year since. It has taken her a lifetime, but she has slowly moved beyond making do. She has finally allowed herself to enjoy—to cultivate beauty along with the tools of survival.

Her flower garden is beautiful, and so, with her prejudiced attitudes and her defiantly conservative viewpoints and her fierce independence, and all the other things that make her Southern to the core, is she.



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[info]lasultrix
2004-07-21 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Wow.

I'll just say, as a foreigner from a radically different background:
I find Northern accents grating, and have to learn to adjust to them when I spend time with a Northern friend.
I could listen to a Southern accent for weeks on end.

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[info]lasultrix
2004-07-21 04:11 pm UTC (link)
(and god, I love Flannery O'Connor)

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[info]minervacat
2004-07-21 04:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh, love. Thank you. Thank you. What you've said is exactly why, when I got into the University of North Carolina, I knew without thinking about it that I had to go. It's the home of my heart and has been for years, and you can't ignore that. <3333333.

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[info]myrch
2004-07-21 04:36 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I don't know what I've done to have spurred two highly thoughtful posts, but thanks for them.

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[info]kmai
2004-07-21 05:12 pm UTC (link)
i have a friend who recently went on an exchange program to england for a year. they kept calling her a yankee for being american.
She would complain to them that calling her a yankee was rude (and incorrect) because she was born south of the Mason-Dixon line. What's that, they'd ask? She would reply: "How would you feel if an american called you scottish?" Then they would reply: "That's terrible. You're right, that was very rude of us. "

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[info]kearie
2004-07-21 05:35 pm UTC (link)
As a part-time New Yorker and a part-time Virginian, thanks. I was born and raised in New York, am an unrepentant liberal, and I love the South. To read such a well-written and moving piece is really wonderful. You bring a great perspective to things.

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[info]yourpoison
2004-07-21 05:49 pm UTC (link)
I don't think... I don't think I can say anything remotely good enough here-- at all-- but. I feel like I should try, because... so very few things affect me -this- much. I just. The more I kept reading, the more I was -crying-, and I pretty much look a mess right now, and-- well-- no amount of fictional tragedy does this to me.

Just. I understand, but it's not even that. I just-- I love this country. So much. And-- this sort of complicated, painful relationship with my own complicated (Russian, Jewish, Central Asian, Brooklyn) roots has defined so much of me, and I've tried to escape it and I -can't-. We can, none of us, escape who we -are- and where we come from and where we truly belong, and it's tragic that so much of the country has come so far from its own varied roots in American soil everywhere. I've lived in semi-rural New York State and I've lived in rural Michigan for 8 years now, and... gods, it's slowly dying and being paved over and....... I'm not saying this right.

The land was always what I knew I was missing-- like a phantom limb I could sort of feel tingling. I grew up in two metropolises-- isolated from everyone-- and I've always wanted to return to the land I never knew-- that only my great-grandparents knew, but really, much further back than that. I'd grown up with a completely stripped, disconnected identity-- as the Other, basically, being Jewish in Russia. That spirit of resistance and stubbornness-- that feeling of resentment and unity and shared history-- that's also the Jewish experience, I think. The experience of any disenfranchised people who hold on to themselves with tooth and nail.

And it's just so moving to me-- so vital-- all that 150-year-old history and sadness seems so much more important because these days, most Americans prefer to see it as water under the bridge. That sense of the vital importance of a peoples' history is something I understand all too well.

I think I can understand where you're coming from much better now, too-- I mean with the importance you place on community identity. I mean, that's always been one of the things I've rebelled against, but it's also one of the things I've never had, and I do feel the lack most strongly. I've never really -had- a home, I guess, and I left the only one I -did- have at what was really the end of my childhood, and I think ever since then I've felt the need and the echoes of that loss and desperate desire for-- well, something I never knew. It's just so... poignant and intense for all my lacking of real knowledge of it.

This was truly one of the most beautiful tributes to America I've ever read <3

*hugs*
This was just. So powerful and -real- and thank you.

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another lovely post
[info]lallorona
2004-07-21 06:10 pm UTC (link)
the only thing i might quibble with is that dixi flag. i live in texas where it is also flown proudly in many areas. but aside from being born and raised here i am also Mexican american. this means that that flag has a different meaning for me than it does for you.

i do love this land. i loved it even more when i was living in NYC.

but just as some were so upset about Myrch's generalizations, i would say yours may be just as upsetting.

the previous story was beautiful and personal. in this one i hear you talk about the south as though only white people ever lived here. my family was here before it was the US. and my family had to suffer the loss of their land because of people carrying that very flag.

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Re: another lovely post
[info]bookshop
2004-07-21 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Hi. Thank you for commenting. You make excellent points and I'm glad you brought them up.

The reason I specifically wrote about the South as though only white people have ever lived in it is because I have never heard any kind of criticism of the South that did not seem like it was being addressed directly to the white population of the South. I've never in my life heard anyone other than someone who was white called "trailor trash" or "redneck" or "bible-beater." Those stereotypes belong to the white population of the South, not necessarily the African-American or Mexican.

I wrote both posts primarily from my perspective as a white American living in the South--and I know absolutely that I have no way of beginning to talk about the African-American Southern experience, or the Mexican Southern experience, or the gay, Jewish, or Catholic Southern experience. What other Americans often fail to understand, however, is that their criticisms of the South are almost always directed at the white Southerner, and that the white South generates a culture wherein they, rightly or wrongly, feel as oppressed by various forces coming at them from the rest of the nation, as do the varous minorities living in the South whom they are oppressing every day.

I really really hope no one reads this essay as an excuse. You cannot excuse racism, or bigotry, or the KKK, or the way prejudice is systematically fostered in the South from government seats, pulpits, and educational systems on down. All I have done here is attempt to explain Southern identity and Southern culture, to piece things together--as much for myself as for anyone else.

Thanks for reading.

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Re: another lovely post - [info]lallorona, 2004-07-22 12:57 pm UTC (Expand)
the south=land? and southern hospitality.
[info]cimness
2004-07-21 06:14 pm UTC (link)
i am not a southerner, exactly, but i am from alabama. i have no accent, except when i put it on to make other people more comfortable, and then it's patchy. we moved to alabama when i was seven, and i spent the whole time *dying* to get away, resenting and hating *everything*--the accents, the country music, the heat, the culture, the lack of culture, the way you couldn't get exotic food.

a lot of the too-late ambivalence you feel, i have felt too, though not as much, and your talk about the vast importance of the LAND sort of boggled me--i think perhaps because i grew up in a more northernized, educated, big-university-centered community within the south. i'd never gotten to personally observe that.

then i realized how my love for the south IS only for the land, although what i say is "i miss alabama," or "i DO love alabama" when i mean that. when i say "the South" i refer to the culture-society complex you mention, and i still despise it almost categorically.

one of my biggest revelations came near the middle of my freshman year of college (Amherst College, in Mass). i was walking down a straight stretch of sidewalk between the dorm and the town, and a classmate (from a class of only twelve) was walking towards me on the other side. i knew she saw me. as we got close enough to clearly make out facial features i naturally looked up with a smile, feeling sort of quietly, mildly lifted to have seen a familiar face which i had always thought of as friendly. not only was she not readying a smile of her own, but she met my eyes, by accident, i think. i could read her surprise and alienation. you don't smile when you meet in the street, in massachusetts. i realized then how very self-contained and unsocial people are, how they don't make conversation when trapped in the elevator or waiting in line, how they don't strike up discussions over the produce, how they might not ask "how you been doing?" is if they see a family friend in the store.

i had never thought i'd miss that. as a seven-year-old child just moved from new york state, i had a hard time catching onto that "say hi" rule. people i knew from school would say "hey" to me in passing and i wouldn't say "hello" back. my mother had to scold me about it for years because it felt unnatural and illogical to me--why greet someone you're not truly happy to see as if you are? why speak to acknowledge their prescence, when they know you know? why speak if you're not going to have a conversation? somewhere between ten and eighteen i became so dependent on the habit that the slight difference in culture between alabama and new england contributed heavily to my freshman year depression.

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Yes. Yes. Yes.
[info]bookshop
2004-07-21 06:53 pm UTC (link)
YES.

I had the exact same experience in a converse way when I came to college. I was absolutely disoriented for a long time by the fact that when people walked down the sidewalk no one looked each other in the eyes. In big cities you don't notice because there are just too many people; but I will never forget how uncomfortable and fish-out-of-water I felt by the fact that here, when you are the only two people on a sidewalk, your natural impulse as a Southerner to meet someone's eyes and smile and/or nod at them as you pass is barred from the get-go by the fact that they will not look at you--they stare into the distance as if you were some sort of robot.

For a long time, that was the part that I dreaded most--that I would become so inured to the ways of the "North" (the Midwest is still the North, haha) that I would just stop looking and searching to meet people's eyes. And, you know--I have. But sometimes, sometimes I will be walking down a sidewalk and I will remember and I will force myself to try to meet someone's eyes, just so I can smile at them when they finally meet mine, and so I can tell myself that I have still kept that part of the South with me.

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Re: Yes. Yes. Yes. - [info]cimness, 2004-07-22 07:49 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]sorchar
2004-07-21 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Amen, sister.

My people are from the hills of southwestern Virginia, within spitting distance of the Tennessee state line, In fact, before the Wal-Marts opened in Big Stone Gap and Norton, you had to drive to Kingsport TN to do any decent shopping.

There was a thing going around a while back about Canadian pride. I rewrote it for Southerners.

"I am not prejudiced or married to my cousin,
And I don't live in a trailer or eat possum or own a pickup truck,
And I don't listen to Hank Williams, George Jones, or Willie Nelson,
Although I wouldn't be ashamed if I did.
I have as good an education as anyone else.
I speak English with an accent that dates back to the days of the 13
Colonies.
And I pronounce it "I", not "Ah."
I can proudly proclaim that I used to play on the battlefields where
Cornwallis surrendered to Washington.
I believe in courtesy, not crudeness;
Kindness, not selfishness;
And that, yes, the Civil War is over!
"Reckon" means to deduce or ascertain, "yonder" is that place over
there.
And "y'all" is never used to refer to just one person!
The South is the mother of presidents,
The home of our history,
And the best part of the United States!"

It's a little hokey...and I do, in fact, listen to Hank and Willie and George, but you get the idea. :)

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[info]patchfire
2004-07-21 07:12 pm UTC (link)
People make fun of Southerners for 'still fighting' the Civil War, but so few of them realise that it is, for those reasons you mentioned, not yet over for a lot of the South.

Taking Kelly around Atlanta this week, we would look at the big, 'old' houses - all of them were built in 1875, 1880, or later. They're really barely one hundred years old, because it's just all gone.

My own personal quote is the one from GWTW - I say that it got only one thing right, and that's this quote - "Why, land is the only thing in the world worth workin' for, worth fightin' for, worth dyin' for, because it's the only thing that lasts."

And I always have this vision of people standing on their land, red clay streaming from between their fingers. Land.

(Oh, and this quote, too, I think - "As God is my witness, as God is my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this and when it's all over, I'll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again." Just paraphrase - I'll never let them lick me again.)

<3333333

Oh! And I don't feel vague pride at the Confederate flag, but oh, "Dixie," I do, I do.

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[info]bookshop
2004-07-21 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Word.

And I have been known to cry during "Rocky Top."

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[info]geoviki
2004-07-21 07:13 pm UTC (link)
That was absolutely fascinating. Speaking as a Northerner, from a line of both recent Euro-immigrants and a few Pilgrims, the South is a part of the world I know far too little about.

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[info]guntar
2004-07-21 07:37 pm UTC (link)
It was Blanche from A Streetcar Named Desire who made me fall in love with the South.

Yes, she was to be pitied. She caused her own destruction--and she knew it. And yet... there was something beautiful about her. There was some romantic readyness, some ideal that she could never quite reach...

That ideal moved me. When I first read that play, I fell in love with it. I read it over and over again. It was the character of Blanche who made me love it. Here was something that was so frail, so weak... and yet so powerful in her desire.

And everyone abused her. She had everything taken away from her, and then she was abused, treated as an object, clinging to her ideals until she was a shadow of what she was...

I became obsessed with South culture. Me, this Canadian who, when told to think of the US, thought of Microsoft and McDonald's and Starbucks.

As Canadians, we often define ourselves as anti-Americans for many of the same reasons the South does. People who think the world revolves around them, who expect everyone to know where New York is, how many states there are, some of their capitals... and yet, when asked on Jeopardy what's the capital of Canada, only answer, "Toronto."

Before reading that play, if someone asked me what the South was like, I would have an image of the north, of corporations as far as the eye can see... only more racist and more self-righteous.

I started reading everything else by Williams, and then learned of other authors from the South. Blanche came to represent the South to me. Self-destructive... yet beautiful, having a part of the ideal that has been destroyed by the harshness of Stanley. I became obsessed with Southern culture. Everytime I read Barn Burning, by Faulkner, I couldn't help but feel that the father represented the South, too stubborn to change his movement, to keep himself from smearing the feces against the mat.

I read Flannery O'Connor, and learned of the ignorance of the South, of all those phrases people tell themselves over and over until they've lost all meaning... and yet, O'Connor loved the South, loved that culture, the culture of the community, teaching me that, thinking you're superior to someone just destroys you--teaching me the importance of community.

I started learning that, despite all the flaws of the South--and Williams and Faulkner both write a lot about the flaws of the South--there was something that was beautiful there. Something that compelled each author to love it, even as they had to escape.

I developed that love-hate relationship, too. I feared the South--I didn't want to visit there, because I knew that, if I did, I'd be outcast. My homosexuality, my politics, my personality... and yet I felt a kinship there, a kinship that I knew the South--as a whole, at least--would never feel toward me.

Reading this... it brought me back to those moments when I started falling in love with Blanche. When I started falling in love with your grandmother.

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[info]guntar
2004-07-21 08:04 pm UTC (link)
Just a question: who's Alice Munroe? I had never heard of her, and a google search only came up with a misspelling of the Canadian author Alice Munro.

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[info]diamond_dust06
2004-07-21 09:27 pm UTC (link)
It sounds like you're defending Southern racism. Just because they hold a one hundred and forty year old grudge against the North is no excuse to hate the Other. What they're doing according to you is scapegoating, and that is wrong.

It's Southern ignorance that we Yanks make fun of. Too bad you lost a war against us a long time ago. Get the fuck over it and move on. Stop holding onto the past and forge an identity that's not based on outdated values.

Sorry for my language, but I can't begin to respect a culture that allowed the Scopes Monkey Trial to take place. Hell, it was only a few years ago that one state (Kansas, I think) made teaching creationism mandatory in science classes. That's unacceptable.

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[info]bookshop
2004-07-21 09:31 pm UTC (link)

there is a different kind of ignorance, as well, and that is the ignorance that when a region is still plagued by the same problems that held it captive a century ago, it must be only that region's fault, and not, say, the people who make fun of it for its ignorance.

Anyway, I've already touched on the rest of your post. Thanks for reading. :)

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(no subject) - [info]abstract_me, 2004-07-22 11:06 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]shachi, 2004-07-24 01:01 am UTC (Expand)
Yankee arrogance - (Anonymous), 2005-01-02 05:42 am UTC (Expand)

[info]tocomfortyou
2004-07-21 09:27 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering if you could unlock these two entries, because I think my mother (and various relatives) would really appreciate reading this. Well done.

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[info]bookshop
2004-07-21 09:29 pm UTC (link)
already unlocked. :)

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(no subject) - [info]tocomfortyou, 2004-07-21 11:28 pm UTC (Expand)
This post reminded me of home
[info]caseypuffy
2004-07-22 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Oooh the Vols. I met the coach of the swim team there John Trembly. Don't know if he's still there or not. He trained Mark Spitz in part and a backstroke swimmer called Trip Schwenk who had a habit of hurting himself. Managed to break his nose on a lane rope. Long story short he taught me butterfly when I was 16 or so. He gave me an orange shirt that said "Gotta have big Vols".

I grew up believing that I was surrounded by a bunch of redneck, country-bred dirt-poor Southern Baptist fools

Sounds like the equivalent of the 'bogans' we have in Australia. People who live in country towns who are die hard Holden or Ford ute drivers and drink VB with their mates Dazza, Mick and Doggo down the pub, who dropped out of school in Year 10. They wear ugg boots over jeans, flannos and beanies. They listen to 80s metal, country music and have girlfriends called Shazza and Kylie (pronounced Koilie).

I lived in a small country town (Clarence Town, NSW) and when I moved to the closest city Newcastle I got alot of flack for being a red-necked bogan. I thought I was a bogan too and did my best not to be one. However it wasn't until I had to explain to someone what a Plover was that I appreciated where I was from. None of my friends can say they've drunk warm, fresh milk with the cream still on it. Grew vegtables, had chickens, sheep, goats, ducks and a horse, walked around town in complete safety after dark and had never had to lock their doors or cars.

It's kinda refreshing to know that even though I may not have grown up near shopping centres, movie theatres and all the perks of city living I did have a unique upbringing

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[info]unravels
2004-07-22 08:08 pm UTC (link)
<333333!! Wow. Your descriptions of growing up in the South resonate so strongly with my own experience here. I used to have figs from my grandmother's trees and cucumbers and tomatoes that my grandfather had planted... I've seen their town go through so many changes during just my lifetime (not that long in the grand scheme... [/denial] ). I know exactly what you mean about not appreciating any of the really good things about this part of the country - both what you see here and what you take with you - until you leave. I was so desperate to get out of here that I left the country, but after being away I finally realized how glad I was that the South was the place I always came home to. While I still want to live outside of the US a while longer, I'm not as automatically defensive as I used to be about hailing from NC. Your posts say a lot that I haven't really been able to articulate about that weird feeling of nostalgia mixed with pride mixed with tragedy I get when thinking about home. Thanks for all the careful thought you obviously put into this. The fact that it's so refreshing to see a commentary on Southern culture approached and taken seriously really drives home a few of your points.

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[info]notapipe
2004-07-23 02:36 pm UTC (link)
Let me preface by saying that \m/ to the thoughtful entry, because I appreciate this entry more than the tone of the rest of this comment might suggest (since it's picking out issues, not agreements).

My music tends to be of punk (emo, hardcore) or hip-hop (rap) heritage, so maybe I took a little issue with the whole "all your music comes from the south". My music seems to come from anywhere but. The closest I get are Omaha, Nebraska bands like Cursive or Texans like At The Drive-In (Hell Paso). By the time I got through 2/3rds of my music, I had no southern bands, and most of my music is many degrees away. I have an album by a band from DC, which is geographically close, but doesn't count. I found one 3-deep AMG influenced by path, from Fugazi, by way of the minutemen, and creedence clearwater revival, to Elvis, so there's some connection. To ELVIS. Or to Muddy Waters. That's like saying that Mozart influenced these bands.

You talked at length of the defeated, angry white south. Is that Muddy Waters? Is that Chuck Berry? Chuck Berry, I'll bet, was proud of the confederate flag. And then he went to be proud of his special water fountain.

Punk came out of england, the west and the north, and it, and its offspring, have stayed like that. Hip hop came out of the north and west. Wonderful stuff has come out of the midwest. But the south? They've been too busy wasting away on country and southern rap (which tends to not be that great) since the 60s. They did a hiccup with REM (which I have two songs by, so there's that), and then sputtered again and died. And there is probably a reason why less than a 20th of my music is from the south, not just pure chance. So when we mock the south's music, there's a reason: it's been mockworthy your whole lifetime, and more. And when we mock the white south's music, there's a reason: it's always been pretty mockworthy.

That out of the way, I wanted to deal with something more substantive.

The Civil War was over a century and a half ago, I still don't get it (Obviously, I'm a northerner: born in DC, raised in the Maryland suburbs until I moved to Minnesota): how can people still be hung up on that? Do people believe they're worse off for the Civil War? That they were wronged?

This question applies, to a lesser extent, to desegregation. I ask, because I don't notice lots of people from the North and the West being proud about the genocide and culturecide commited against native americans.

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[info]notapipe
2004-07-23 03:00 pm UTC (link)
By the way, I don't mean: how can they still care about it. I mean: how can they be hung up on it. That is, still be pissed off at the rest of the country for it, still worship the confederate flag, stuff like that.

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where?
[info]theresawrites
2004-07-23 10:07 pm UTC (link)
Where in Indiana do you live? Maybe you added this somewhere within your journal, but I am too tired to actually dig around for it. I live in Indiana, by the way. In case you were curious as to why I was curious about your residence.

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[info]mirideee
2004-07-24 01:52 pm UTC (link)
you're a girl?!? I always assumed you were a boy - i think it was your previous icon

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[info]christiangirls
2004-07-26 05:02 am UTC (link)
Dearest Ms. Aja,

I found my way here for reasons I cannot remember and just as I was intending to turn back around I happened to see the mood of your post, "rejected". Oddly concerned, I read through.

And as much as I want to express to you how rich and beautiful this post was for me to read, something stood out for me like a sore thumb. I'm just going to ask you to keep an open mind for what I am going to say next -- please don't take this the wrong way, and please do not think I am in any way offended.

It's a small thing, really. It's your use of the word Indian. Normally, because you are an American and Native American's rarely take offense to the word, I didn't want to mention it. But, thinking about it some more, and because of the subject matter of this very post -- heritage -- it made sense for me to make a small mention.

In Canada, it is politically incorrect to call anyone First Nation, Indian. Indian is a word that belongs to the East (in that respect). As I'm sure you've guessed, I can be confident when I mention this because I am native myself. My father was a Cree man, my mother Caucasian.

(cont. shortly)

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[info]christiangirls
2004-07-26 05:34 am UTC (link)
My perspective is from both growing up a native girl steeped in the Cree native culture of powwows (I have seen hundreds), shaman (my grandfather), earth, communion and a large family. And then of the later half of my life after my fathers passing on, as a suburban, Christian white child. To me, both seeming to be polar opposites.

I too have gone through my life with ridicule and names, being judged before I speak a word past my last name (which has the actual word 'thunder' in it). I have white skin. I speak like a white woman. And yet, see my last name and I have been turned away for work, denied medical assistance and snubbed by new friends.

This does have a point. Everything you say has a meaning. Everything you say will be taken in and pondered. I do not mean that by using the word 'Indian' you are disrespecting my entire culture. I do not mean to say that by telling your story with a lack of people with coloured skin makes you wrong. What I do mean to say is that such a simple word, buried at the heart of your simple, bright, rich little story, is another persons story. And another's. And another's.

You said Indian. No one noticed but me. Someone says red neck around you, and you might be the only one to notice. Maybe you won't write a reply to the writer hundreds of words long, but it does have an oddly strong effect for being such a small, petty word, don't you think?

So. Behind all of that thought, is possibly something I have been feeling the need to get back to. Your post reminded me of who I was with my father, just for a moment. And I'm grateful. I think, when I can give it a little more thought and a lot less hot air, I will write my own 'little story' just the same as yours -- only this time about growing up proud of my own rich, wonderful heritage.

Going to bed now,
Sheena

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[info]darkeyedwolf
2004-07-26 06:09 pm UTC (link)
ROCK THE FUCK ON. I'm in Tennessee -- Memphis, specifically -- and reading this made me proud. It also made me crave gravy and biscuits and other such stereotypical southern foods, but, well. That's probably just the fat kid in me. :))

Friended you over at [info]brimful, if you don't mind.

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[info]tipgardner
2004-08-06 08:03 am UTC (link)
I wandered over to say that [info]girlsigh had recced your Sparrow Prince tale and that it seemed to be friends locked and instead was captivated by this post. As a foreign born person living in the States, I found your observations fascinating. It is so well written, that I imagine I would have found it so even as a native, but thank you for writing and posting it. I think a lot of your observations are spot on from what I've seen and/or experienced in life.

At any rate, back to that Sparrow Prince, if one needs to be on your flist to read it, would you please friend me? Thanks!

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[info]______astronaut
2004-08-09 03:34 am UTC (link)
AJA. This is/was [info]____acrylic and in a mad fit of obsession and mango juice, I have switched LJs once more. So would it be okay if I asked you to take ____acrylic off and add this account? :D <3

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[info]txvoodoo
2004-08-10 06:51 pm UTC (link)
As a northeastern gal married to a Southerner, living in Texas, I found this a fascinating read.

Also - I've lived in Tennessee, and yes, nicest people around. Truly.

Even while I chafed at the conservative bits around me, I do truly appreciate the South. Though I would prefer to live somewhere closer to a beach, but that's just because of *my* upbringing - never being further than an hour from the ocean.

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[info]altricial
2004-08-10 08:29 pm UTC (link)
yfjkguhi that was me :">

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